They Both Lost Their Husbands—Then the Signs Started Appearing

Two widowed friends share what happened after their husbands passed.
The signs they began noticing changed how they see love, loss, and connection.

In this deeply moving in-person episode of Curating Connection, two widowed friends open up about grief, love, and the unexpected ways they believe their husbands continue to show up in their lives.

Valerie shares vivid and sometimes unexplainable experiences—from finding meaningful coins at pivotal moments, to a repeated grasshopper encounter under identical conditions, to subtle but striking signs like feathers appearing at just the right time, lights turning on unexpectedly, and even a car seat adjusting on its own long after her husband’s passing.

Louise offers a different but equally powerful perspective, navigating the profound loss of her husband after years of Alzheimer’s. In the quiet aftermath, she begins noticing subtle signs—birds appearing in meaningful ways, moments of deep emotional recognition, and an unexpected experience of hearing her husband’s voice again while revisiting old memories.

Together, their stories explore what it means to grieve, to remember, and to remain open to the possibility that connection doesn’t end with physical absence.

This episode isn’t about proving what’s real—it’s about what feels real, and how meaning, love, and presence can show up in the smallest, most unexpected ways.

If you’ve ever wondered whether signs from loved ones are possible—or if you’re still waiting for one—this conversation will stay with you long after it ends.

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Transcript

SPEAKER_02 1:06

I am so excited today to be doing my first in-person live curating connection sign story. Today I am here with Valerie and Louise. And we're in the fabulous state of Arizona, the sunshine state. And let me tell you, the sun has been shining down on these women with signs. Valerie, why don't you tell me how you were introduced to the concept of signs or how you found out about the book?

SPEAKER_00 1:36

Well, I think growing up, I'd always heard of things like pennies from heaven, but not having to do with actually being given to anyone by somebody who'd passed. It was just pennies from heaven. And so I didn't really think about the signs coming from a loved one until the day of the celebration of life for my husband when Louise walked in with your book. It was, I believe, being published that week. I mean, the timing was amazing.

SPEAKER_01 2:14

That's right. I forgot about that.

SPEAKER_00 2:16

Yes, you told me that it was being published that week.

SPEAKER_01 2:18

That's right. It just because I was so anxious. I knew the book was coming, but I was so anxious for it to be available so I could give it to her.

Coins As First Signs

SPEAKER_00 2:27

Yeah. Yeah. So he died November 11th, 2023. And this the celebration of life was the first week in December. I was excited and I read it within the next few days. It's very short. Yes. And all of the examples are very explanatory. You know, it just gave me kind of like a pattern that I could look out for.

SPEAKER_02 2:52

So some little tidbits of information to show you that evidence that maybe there's a sign waiting for you.

SPEAKER_00 2:58

And before my husband had died, I we knew that he was going to, and I just told him that he had to send me a sign for sure. And he questioned me what it would be, and I said, Well, you're very smart, and you'll figure it out. So a couple of weeks after the celebration of life, I found a dirty penny on the sidewalk coming out of the post office. And I looked up in the sky and I said, You gotta be kidding me, a dirty penny. Um, a couple of weeks later, I went out to the veteran cemetery where we had his ashes interned, and I had gotten an email saying showing what the grave marker would say. And so I went out and I was taking pictures of it so that I could show it to the rest of my family. There was something shining in my eye, and it was a very shiny quarter. Was the only one there, and it was right by his grave. And so I looked up in the sky and I said, That's more like it.

SPEAKER_02 4:05

That's more like it. Now, with coins, I know oftentimes coins can be very significant because there's dates on them. Any of these two coins have any significant dates on them for you?

SPEAKER_00 4:17

Not that I recall. Okay. No.

The Grasshopper That Returned

SPEAKER_02 4:19

All right.

SPEAKER_00 4:20

So about six weeks after the thing at the cemetery, I was taking my trash and recycle out of my backyard on Thursday night, like I always did, because it was being picked up on Friday morning. And so I took both of the cans out to the street, and I came back and shut the gate. And right at eye level, there was the huge grasshopper I have ever seen. It was January and it was 45 degrees outside. I didn't have my phone with me, so I didn't actually take a picture of the grasshopper, but I Googled it later on. But the thing was this big and really colorful, and it was eye-level and it was just staring at me. So I just thought, well, that's the weirdest thing I've ever seen. And I walked in the house and I went, damn, I bet that's a sign. So I swear to God, the next week I'm taking this stuff out, put it at the curb, go back in, shut the gate, and that grasshopper was back. At the same time, the same time, the same level, eye level. It was, I mean, I just got goosebumps all over me, but I didn't have my phone with me. I mean, I didn't expect garbage. Who thinks about bringing their phone out to the garbage? I know. I know.

SPEAKER_01 5:49

But didn't you research where it was from?

SPEAKER_00 5:52

Well, yes. I mean, the one that I Googled and got the results that were like in real tropical places. This is Phoenix, Arizona. Dry, cold. It was 45 degrees outside, and that thing was there. I mean, it just it's kind of like a dream right now, but I know it happened. I know it did. So that to me was significant.

SPEAKER_02 6:20

So you've received a few signs by this time. How are you feeling about that? How does it make you feel when you love it?

SPEAKER_00 6:27

I love it. It makes me smile, it makes me happy. It's it's like a hug. He had the best hugs in the world. And yeah, I just, you know, and every time I get one, I think, well, that's probably the last, you know, but he has continued on.

SPEAKER_02 6:44

Why do you think you are noticing these signs when other people aren't?

SPEAKER_00 6:48

Certainly your book was an inspiration. I I'm just open to it. I'm very open to it. I I have no qualms whatsoever. And sometimes I think, you know, maybe I'm making too much of it. You know, maybe this isn't a sign, maybe it is just a coin on the floor on the ground or whatever. But some of them are significant, like the grasshopper.

SPEAKER_02 7:11

Yeah, because I would think that one time could be some crazy coincidence, right? Two times with all of those same circumstances, yes. That is a message or a sign. Oh, yeah. And I love that you're embracing that. And even if let's just say somebody out there's like, whatever, it's just a grasshopper, it really doesn't matter what anybody else feels or thinks about it. If it's impacting you and you're feeling that connection, that's well, this was like a grasshopper.

SPEAKER_00 7:47

I'm something I had never seen before in my life.

SPEAKER_02 7:51

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 7:52

Very colorful, you know, because usually the grasshoppers here are much smaller.

SPEAKER_02 7:57

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 7:58

Gray, brown.

SPEAKER_02 8:00

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 8:00

This was like yellow and green. Oh, the green.

SPEAKER_02 8:05

Yeah, it was incredible.

SPEAKER_00 8:06

Honestly.

SPEAKER_02 8:06

So it definitely stood out and you took the time to connect to it. Oh, absolutely. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 8:11

Yes.

Feathers And The Moving Car Seat

SPEAKER_02 8:11

Yeah. So tell me, tell me what else you've been finding or getting signs from your husband.

SPEAKER_00 8:18

Well, Don was very instructive about a lot of things around the house. You know, after, you know, after I'm gone, you gotta remember to do whatever. And so he had been very thorough with explaining that when this light came on in the refrigerator, that that meant that the filter needed to be changed. And so, you know, he he said, first thing you gotta do is turn off the main water valve to the house. So, you know, he took me out there, showed me how to do it, you know, came back in, and then you gotta let the water run for a little bit, and you know, and then it was very easy to put the filter in, take the old one out, put the new one in, and then you gotta remember to go turn the water the main water valve back on. So I remembered it, and right before I moved, I got the little signal. So remembering everything he told me, I went out, turned the water valve, the main water valve off, came back in, changed, took out the old, put in the new, went back out, and there was a feather lying right next to the valve. Oh which had not been there before.

SPEAKER_02 9:41

I love feathers. Feathers were kind of some of my first signs that I received that really made me know that it was connected. Yes. And obviously, during that brief period of time, it's like he's like, Yay, you did it.

SPEAKER_00 9:56

Yeah, he's acknowledging the fact that you know I remembered and all of that. So yeah, it was it was pretty cool.

SPEAKER_02 10:04

And we do have like a collection of items that Valerie's husband has sent her from beyond. So we'll I will be posting photos of that as well so they can see all these signs that you've collected.

SPEAKER_00 10:19

This is interesting. We purchased a new car about a year before Don died, didn't really need it, but it was smaller, and so anyway, we bought it. And it has a feature where you can program the seat position. And so he he was still driving at the time, and so he programmed his under button number one, and then I got in and programmed programmed mine and button number two. But if I had been driving and then he would have to get in the car, he would have to push number one before he could actually get in the car. He was a lot taller. So, and then the same thing with me. If I if he had been driving it and then I was gonna get in and drive it, then I would have to push number two. So that you know, that worked out. But about three months after he died, when I opened the car door, the seat goes to position number one.

SPEAKER_02 11:27

He was right in there with you, wanting to jump in and do it.

SPEAKER_00 11:30

It does it every time, it still doesn't. And so I asked somebody at the dealership, what's the deal? And they said, Well, it just adjusts, you know, and I said, But wait a minute, I'm the only one driving here, it should not be moving. Right. And they said, I don't know, but all you have to do is push number two, and I said, I know that, but have you ever seen where a car readjusts the seat position without somebody pushing the button? And they said no.

SPEAKER_02 12:06

No, wow, yeah. So you reseed some coins, some animals signed, feathers, and now electrical. Yes, right? I'm not finished. So signs come in many forms. Oh, absolutely. I can't wait to hear more. Yes.

SPEAKER_00 12:26

Okay, this one's pretty short. I was still in my house and watching TV in my great room, and so I decided to go to bed. So I turned the light out in the great room and it came on in the dining room. It had never done that before, and it never did it again. But it was just it was like a little hi there. Yeah. Isn't it cool? That's very cool.

SPEAKER_02 12:53

That is very cool.

SPEAKER_00 12:55

Yeah. So so when I sold my house, the real estate agent told me that the deciding factor that the purchasers had was that the man went outside to the backyard to make sure that it was quiet. And so he was sitting out there for quite a while and sitting at our, you know, our outdoor furniture. And he said the deciding factor was that a bird came and sat on the table and just stared at him for like five minutes.

SPEAKER_02 13:35

Oh my word.

SPEAKER_00 13:36

Didn't move, you know, just you know, and he said it was so peaceful and nice, and that's why he decided to buy it.

SPEAKER_02 13:44

Oh, I love that. I know it. It was like a little confirmation, like, yep, I want you here. Yes, and he's like just felt connected and calm and peaceful back there.

SPEAKER_00 13:55

Yes, yeah, yep. So I mean, we had seen birds when we sat out there, but you know, never one just coming and sitting, you know.

SPEAKER_01 14:08

Yes, Louise, you have a bird story for us. Well, my husband passed away just uh in January, January 26th, and um and he had Alzheimer's and was not really cognizant for the last two years. So I I thought I needed to tell him to send me a sign, but he did not understand talking. I hadn't heard his voice in in years. It was very, it was a tough thing to go through. And so he died on a Monday, and the next morning I went outside. It was kind of chilly for Phoenix, well, although we live in surprise. And so I kind of went out the driveway to look down the street to see if my son-in-law was coming to bring my grandson so I could take them to school. So I was out there for a little bit and I kind of saw something caught my eye, and it was the street light. The streetlight wasn't on, but on the top of the metal was this little bird that was looking down at me. And when I looked up, he kind of hopped over to the corner of the streetlight, and he just kept looking down at me and turning his head. And I thought, I wonder if that's correct. The significance is because almost every morning and every evening, my husband loved to go out with a cup of coffee or beer, and he would go out to the backyard or the front yard, and he could make the most interesting bird sounds. And the birds would mimic those sounds, and you know, back and forth they would mimic each other. And it was truly amazing some of the sounds that he made, because it was like if you close your eyes, you really wouldn't know which was the bird, which was him. So I thought, well, I guess that's significant, but I guess I didn't really know that that would be a sign from him. So then about a week later, same thing where I went out in the morning and I was looking down the street and I thought, I wonder. And I looked up there, the same kind of bird. I can't say that it was the same bird, but there were two or three other birds up there with this one. He the bird actually hopped over to the corner and nudged one of them out of the way and was looking at me again and just turning his head every which way. And I thought, well, maybe if I say something, that'll scare him. And so I said, Hi there. He kept looking and looking, and I was like, I don't know. Is this a sign? I don't know because I I'm too busy in my life to stop and look down. Maybe if I slowed down in my life and paid attention to my surroundings, maybe he is sending me signs because I I'm getting I'm feeling ignored. I want I want signs like what Valerie's getting. And I know he can do it. He was an engineer just like Valerie's husband. The four of us always had fun together, like peas in a pod. Yep. But that's my story, and I hope next time I have more. Please hope and pray I do, or I'm gonna get mad.

Hearing His Voice Again

SPEAKER_02 17:34

Well, I do believe that you're on to something. One of the things that we do need to do in life is really take time to slow down and just notice our surroundings. And you have such a bubbly, fun, on-the-go personality. I can see why you say that. However, I think the signs are around you, right? And maybe once things settle down after you celebrate your husband, you will have a little bit more time to embrace what's coming around. I personally and my daughters here today, too, who introduced me to Louise, were discussing how I think it's unique that the bird that you saw was communicating with you or connecting with you without voicing anything like your communication was with him at the end. That's right. And he bumped somebody out of the way to say, I need her to see me again, right? So I think if we embrace the little starts to it and say, Yes, that was, or what if that was?

unknown 18:43

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 18:43

What what if that was Craig? And you can ask for a specific sign going forward. I mean, Valerie said, Come on, you can do better than this, right? And her husband did, but you can actually think of something that you two were connected to or that meant something to Craig and see where you run across it. And I have an episode coming up with my brother. We did the same thing. We did a little trial of asking for a really crazy sign that meant nothing to either one of us, and to see how long it took for us to receive those signs. And it did happen, everybody. So I think Louise, we've got your back, and we're gonna make sure you get those signs.

SPEAKER_01 19:28

You know, it's been so many years since he and I could communicate, and that's that's the part that was really, really hard because I uh he was in group homes for three years. And when I would visit him, you know, there was no, he didn't know who I was, and so many times his eyes did not track anything in the room, and I I didn't know if he could see or hear. I I think he knew my touch because he he he really he would kind of move his hand over for me to touch him more, and so I would always rub his arms and so I uh it's like to hear his voice. If I ever heard his voice on a recording, I I think I would freak out. I I don't have, oh, we'd probably have videos, but actually I saw a video just the other day. Oh, I just thought of it. Oh, I it was him playing with the twins when they were in little swings, and he was making them think they were running into them, into him, as the swing would start to hit, and you go, whoa! Yeah. I did just hear his voice. I just now realized that. I did hear his voice. It really wasn't talking, but I had been, I had just been saying to somebody, this is all I had just been saying to somebody if I could even just hear his voice. You didn't realize it was. I didn't. We were getting pictures together for his celebration of life, and I came across this video, and I was watching it, and I know my daughter said, No videos, we're just getting still pictures, we're getting, we're putting them into a program. And I said, I know, but I just I want to watch this. Was that a sign? Yes, yes. Well, now I know where to go back and hear his voice. I still like to hear his voice now.

SPEAKER_02 21:40

Yeah, but I think there's so many people that can relate to you, Louise, in so many fashions. Number one, I think that it's very difficult in this world because so many people have unfortunately been diagnosed with Alzheimer's or dementia. And the loss of your loved one in that fashion is just heartbreaking because you know what they're like, right?

SPEAKER_01 22:03

I know.

SPEAKER_02 22:04

And so that connection when you know that they're free from those ailments is something that we do yearn for. And we've just spoken about two signs that have come to you in different ways and fashions. And you're kind of probably in a phase where everything is still a bit overwhelming from the recent loss. There's a lot of planning going on, and you are receiving them, but sometimes it takes us to have these open conversations with others for confirmation. No, what you were thinking was correct, it was there. Or for us to realize wait a second, I did just ask that I wanted to hear his voice, and here I did, but I didn't correlate.

A Photo That Restores Love

SPEAKER_01 22:50

I didn't know, I didn't think of it as a sign, but I know it brought tears to my eyes, you know. My daughter had me do something very, very smart. I was telling her that I wanted the celebration of life. Because I was having a hard time remembering good times. Yes, we went on trips, and yes, I can picture ourselves together, but it's in a flat picture. I I can't get the feeling. So she said, Mom, go through the last 15 years of photos and send me photos of dad with the various grandchildren or wherever something is significant. So I started with the most current. And, you know, and of course they had pictures of him progressing in Alzheimer's, and those were very hard to look at. But we were taking pictures so that we could share with Craig's brother and sister who do not live in Arizona. So I kept going back and I would send her pictures showing, you know, the growth of the grandkids, and Craig loved his grandkids. And as I got further back, you know, to the beginning of where my pictures start, there was a picture, and I it truly, truly brought tears to my eyes because it was before, before that what I will call the chaos. And he had his hands in his pocket, he was smiling, and the look on his face was with so much love and happiness. And I when I saw it, I said, Oh, there you are. I remember when you were like this. And so I printed the picture off. I said, I want this on the table as you walk into the celebration of life. This will be the cover photo for the DVD that my niece and daughter are making. I told my daughter what you told me to do was a blessing because it brought me backwards to where I found, I found Craig before the craziness started because I was so angry and isolated during taking care of him. And it I could not release that feeling right when he died. Yes, I was upset, but I couldn't get back to the warm, fuzzy love. And that picture brought me back.

SPEAKER_02 25:39

I think that really takes us just ready to pause for a moment and really let that soak in. That if you are kind of in a space where you're looking to reconnect or to go back to those memories, I think it's really good advice your daughter gave you to go back through and you actually reclaimed a moment where you're like, This is my loved one, this is who I remember. And I encourage anybody listening today to try your instructions on that. Let's pick up Valerie and hear some more. Well, first of all, tell me what you think of your friend Louise's stories here. Tell me if you think those are signs for her because you've known her for 45 years, 50 years.

SPEAKER_00 26:23

Yes, yes.

SPEAKER_02 26:24

And I want to know how you support me.

SPEAKER_00 26:26

Well, I absolutely do. I mean, we've been I only have one friend that I've known longer than I've known Louise, but I definitely think that he is sending her, you know, but uh sending her signs, but they aren't as significant as some of the ones that I've gotten over the last two and a half years.

SPEAKER_02 26:50

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 26:51

So, you know, she just needs to be patient, and I'm sure that I'm sure she'll get some more.

SPEAKER_02 26:58

Yeah, because this is just really like Oh, it's early. Yeah, it's only been about a month, right? So but I do love the fact that you two have had conversations around this.

SPEAKER_00 27:10

Oh, yeah.

The 1980 Penny And Lasting Presence

SPEAKER_02 27:10

So that you have each other to lean across and to share when it comes across to confirm, right?

SPEAKER_00 27:18

So right after I moved into my apartment, I had, you know, movers do my furniture and everything. And I was just that very first day, I was looking around and I thought, well, I think I kind of want the table a little more angled. And so I was moving things around a little bit, and I moved the couch away from the from the wall, and there was a shiny penny right there. Just one. You know, it was like approval, you know, that he's still with me. Yes. So I have his pictures everywhere, you know, and the flag that I got at the veteran cemetery. And yeah, I mean, he's just he's there. But also, on the day that would have been our 45th, 45th wedding anniversary last October, I was feeling not particularly sad, but a little melancholy. And I was taking my walk around the property. It's about two miles, but I walked one way and then I turned around and come back. And on my way back, on the same sidewalk that I had walked before, right in the middle of the sidewalk was a bright shiny penny, which I had not seen on the way out. But the best one was the most recent one. That about a month ago, I was just thinking to myself, I haven't gotten any signs recently, and I wonder if they're over. And so I was taking my walk, and I, you know, I walked the distance that I normally do, and I came back and I was looking all around on the sidewalk, and all of a sudden I looked out into the road or the street, neighborhood street, and I saw something that was small and round. And I don't know what led me, urged me to go get it, but I went over, I picked it up, and it was dirty, and so it was obviously a coin, and I took it home and I washed it, and it was a 1980 penny, and that was the year that we got married.

SPEAKER_02 29:39

That something just drew you over to go pick it up, bring it home, and wash it. For me, that's the one you're married to. Your loved one's still sending your signs, though. I know it.

SPEAKER_00 29:48

I know it. I just I'm so overwhelmed by that one in particular.

SPEAKER_02 29:55

Yeah. So and when you think about that deep connection or overwhelming feeling, tell me how that makes you feel when you go to bed at night or when you're wondering when the next sign is coming. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 30:10

Well, I don't actually wonder when it's coming. I mean, if if I don't get any more signs anytime, I'm fine. You know, I know he's there, I know he's watching me. Yeah, I know he cares about me. He was not overly affectionate. He certainly was affectionate, but not overly so. But I just know that he still loves me. So it's it's wonderful. It I just I'm so glad for your book because it opened my mind to all the possibilities. And just, you know, I don't think I would have noticed some of the things, you know, the feathers, especially. And I'm just really so pleased that Louise gave me your book and that you wrote it. And uh yeah, I'm just happy.

SPEAKER_02 31:07

I'm so excited that you were able to share these inspiring sign stories with us today. For people that maybe haven't received a sign yet or doubting their signs, what type of advice or thoughts do you have to share with them?

SPEAKER_00 31:25

Well, the first thing is read your book because it gives so many examples.

SPEAKER_02 31:31

Yeah.

Curating Connection With New Life

SPEAKER_00 31:32

And just be open to it. And you can, you know, ask them up there. Yeah, could you just send me a sign? You know, make it anything, but make it so that it's so unusual that I'll know it's a sign.

SPEAKER_02 31:50

My podcast, uh, curating connection. I tend to ask everybody, what are you curating connection with in your life right now? That's a really good question.

SPEAKER_00 32:00

Certainly family. The last four years that Don was alive, he did not feel like doing much of anything. He had cancer, stage four metastatic bone cancer. And I mean, I certainly didn't fault him for it, but it was very isolating. And I mean, even when people offered to come over, sometimes, I mean, he would try as hard as he could, but sometimes he would say no, or sometimes when they were there, it would just be too much for him.

SPEAKER_02 32:33

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 32:34

Because when our family gets together, it's, you know, a little bit, I mean, not raucous, but people talk, and you know, he was very sensitive to a lot of noise. Sure. And, you know, we have small great grandchildren, and it's just it was just too busy for him.

SPEAKER_02 32:52

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 32:53

So well, I moved into independent living, and I'm also I play cards twice a week, and I've joined the Reader's Theater, and we are rehearsing now for a production in May. Oh, how exciting! Yeah, it's pretty cool. And I don't know, I'm just making lots of friends. I took a trip to Iceland last summer, the previous summer I went to Alaska and took the uh train on the interior. And um I also went to New England with my sister in the fall. Okay, and this year I'm going to go to Scandinavia. So um, you know, I feel like time's a wasting and I should not put off anything that's possible to do because you never know. Correct. You know, I mean I feel healthy and I don't have any really serious diseases. I have a chronic disease that I maintain well, and I don't know. I I have a much more positive outlook than I thought I would in this circumstance.

SPEAKER_02 34:07

Yeah. So it sounds like you're really curating connection to what is bringing you joy and happiness.

SPEAKER_00 34:13

Yes.

SPEAKER_02 34:14

As you're transitioning into a new life phase, but also know that you're still fully connected with these signs that you're receiving. So it might be just a tad easier some days to get through your new life stages.

SPEAKER_00 34:26

Yes. Yes, correct. That's correct.

SPEAKER_02 34:29

Awesome.

SPEAKER_00 34:30

Yeah, I'm I'm in a happy place. No, but I'm not sure it would be so happy if I hadn't gotten these signs.

SPEAKER_02 34:37

Yeah. Well, thank you so much for your support of the book, but also for sharing and connecting with others around the possibility of receiving signs from their loved ones.

SPEAKER_00 34:47

Oh, absolutely. Anytime a friend of mine, you know, loses somebody, I order your book. Oh. Have it sent to them or give it to them personally. And, you know, it's been received in a wide range of frames of mind, but I usually ask them before, you know, because if they're not into it, they would not enjoy it as much.

SPEAKER_02 35:13

Correct. Yes, you do have to be a bit open-minded about it. And you are right. It is a fairly light read because I feel like people that are receiving the book are probably having a some heaviness or grief or sadness in their life, that they're looking for short, simple ways to find the information to connect.

SPEAKER_00 35:35

Yes.

SPEAKER_02 35:35

And to pick them up, andor to realize that the way they're feeling is normal and that they can get through it. So the creating hope, providing belief, and affirming connection.

SPEAKER_00 35:46

Yes.

SPEAKER_02 35:47

And I just want to thank you today, Valerie, for helping affirm connection from beyond that's still with you.

SPEAKER_00 35:53

You're very welcome.

SPEAKER_02 35:54

And thank you to your husband for sending the signs.

SPEAKER_00 35:56

Yes, yes.

SPEAKER_02 35:59

He did real good.